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閣下成見已深,小弟再說什麼也無用,請去看 "讓英文變的簡單之旁門左道學英語 \(^_^)/ 修訂版 " 這篇就讓它沉下去吧!

閣下跟許多受文法毒害的同學一樣,說的句子要絕對正確一點都不能有錯, 花不少時間學習,但一聽外國人說話就理解困難,要開口說就更難了…

我國以前的教學法,不是已經重新修正了嗎?為什麼修正呢?
就是發現只專研文法,學習的過程是不僅慢且痛苦的不是嗎?

對於沒學過音標的同學,連哪單字是母音發音都可能不了解,要說明為什麼 a 要產生音變成為 an 他們能了解還是會一頭霧水…
小弟的簡化都是少了些什麼,那些日後學到時新文法時,自然會加入已會的句型中應用…

音變 a 變 an 這個n是附加上的,不會修正困難,等學到定冠詞 the 和複數要加s 都是只要加進已會的句型即可,其句子結構並沒變化…

中文標音只是一開始,消除對英文恐懼用,當然不是從頭至尾都...

語言四要件 : 聽說讀寫 . 先要把發音記住 , 然後才容易把拼字記住 .... 當閣下把英文發音用中文替換時 , 學生記憶的是中文而不是英文 . 只有幾個英語生字的時候還好 , 英語生字一但變多學習的時候就不妙了 . 而且書寫時還要由近似的中文發音倒推出 [可能的/大概的] 英文拼字 ...... 真是 #$%@!
     
      
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I thought so. With all your writings being previously appeared, I'm totally convinced by your motto - no pain no gain!

well, let's see what you are made of.
 
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well, let's see what you are made of.


Bingo! but capital will make it perfect.
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Bingo! but capital will make it perfect.

Is this your best shot? Don't bother to reply, if you can not write a short article. The whole purpose of language is "communcation".

In other words, a person who knows perfect grammer, remember plenty of words; however, he/she can not write a good article to explain his/her point of view. If the above statement describes the average Taiwan students, then, my question is - "what is the point to learn a language, which can not be used as communcation tool?"

Write something back if you could; frankly, I don't expect much!

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Is this your best shot? Don't bother to reply, if you can not write a short article. The whole purpose of language is "communcation".

In other words, a person who knows perfect grammer, remember plenty of words; however, he/she can not write a good article to explain his/her point of view. If the above statement describes the average Taiwan students, then, my question is - "what is the point to learn a language, which can not be used as communcation tool?"

Write something back if you could; frankly, I don't expect much!



I have to scratch my head and figure out why you want me to write a paragraph!? Of course you don't really mean it, do ya?
RunSun has got his point. Seniors who don't even know alphabet will shout "hurrah" if they have a chance to speak English, simple or complex, in front of an English spoken people. So you expect grandpa/grandma to go through a rigorous way to learn ABC? Please! No way and that’s how I see RunSun’s approach kick in.
Did RunSun ask us to take his approach as a Hallelujah way? I seriously doubt that you have browed through everything he’s said. Anyway, I vote it timber-down on people who over look patency. There are others, more efficient, less complicated ways available. RunSun can be the one.
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I have to scratch my head and figure out why you want me to write a paragraph!? Of course you don't really mean it, do ya?
RunSun has got his point. Seniors who don't even know alphabet will shout "hurrah" if they have a chance to speak English, simple or complex, in front of an English spoken people. So you expect grandpa/grandma to go through a rigorous way to learn ABC? Please! No way and that’s how I see RunSun’s approach kick in.
Did RunSun ask us to take his approach as a Hallelujah way? I seriously doubt that you have browed through everything he’s said. Anyway, I vote it timber-down on people who over look patency. There are others, more efficient, less complicated ways available. RunSun can be the one.

Are you sure about the "Seniors" idea? Here is the original post .

"這篇文章是讓許多英文不好或不會的<同學>,重新用簡單的方法來學英語、英文…

主要針對26個英文字母認識不深,也沒學過kk或其它音標的初學者…這些<同學>一接觸英文就像看外星文,一但跟不上進度就被半強迫放棄學英文…

台灣人學英文的痛,很多<英文學的不錯的同學>,閱讀和寫可能都沒問題但是就是說不出口,或是無法唸好一個完整的句子…"

If you have something to express, please remember "read before reply". For most of the students, the best way of learning probably is "just doing it".

There is no "easy way" to learn any language, if you want to use it as a practical communcation tool. However, if you really need to show off with short notice, this [using chinese to mimic english] may be a good approach.

In fact, this [mimic] idea had been carried out as a common practice in computer industry. For example, when the powerful 32 bits PC becomes more affordable, the "MAME emulator" can be used to run these old arcade games under Windows.

Here is another question - if we can use a 32 bits P4 to emulate an 8 bits arcade machine, can we apply the same principle and use a 32 bits P4 to emulate a 64 bits computer? You probably have to try it to understand my opinion. Although emulator is the fast approach at the beginning, later during the further development stage, it serious limits theoretical performance. Compare to the dramatical drop of communcation performance , the fast beginning is no longer good enough in the long run.

Of course, for the one-time-only application (e.g. senior citizens having the 1st international flight), the MAME [e.g. using chinese to mimic english] strategy is still an acceptable solution.

There are at least two higher level computer languages - the compiler (e.g. classical C) and the interpreter (e.g. classical BASIC). Of course, there are also some computer languages sit in the middle (e.g. Pascal - pseudo code).
The idea of RunSun is more like BASIC, and the performance of BASIC usually is $%#@!. However, BASIC is an easy computer language for the beginner. The remaining question - is BASIC good enough? For the weekend programmers, BASIC probably is good enough.

On the other hand, we should try to understand one basic thing - the process of young children learning chinese (or any other language). Is there any other way to learn language, insteading of repeatly practice? I simply doubt there has such a miracle way to learn language.

I am an average Joe; therefore, my suggestion is only good for the average person.

Summary:

For the casual gamer:
MAME is not bad at all. However, the game won't be able to run at full speed all the time. (For the casual english speaker, using chinese to mimic english is not bad at all. However, your english probably is not as fluently as the others.)

For the intermediate gamer:
Forget about the MAME emulator idea (chinese emulate english), unless you have too much brain power (like P4) sitting there. (For the intermediatel english speaker, unless you are way smarter than the average people, the results won't worth the brain power used.)

If you consider to become the serious gamer later:
Well, don't use the approach with serious performance limit. Let's spend enough time and use good quality part.

Do it right from the beginning will cost less in the long run.
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I have to scratch my head and figure out why you want me to write a paragraph!? Of course you don't really mean it, do ya?
RunSun has got his point. Seniors who don't even know alphabet will shout "hurrah" if they have a chance to speak English, simple or complex, in front of an English spoken people. So you expect grandpa/grandma to go through a rigorous way to learn ABC? Please! No way and that’s how I see RunSun’s approach kick in.
Did RunSun ask us to take his approach as a Hallelujah way? I seriously doubt that you have browed through everything he’s said. Anyway, I vote it timber-down on people who over look patency. There are others, more efficient, less complicated ways available. RunSun can be the one.


講這麼多幹嘛,當初如果你用樓主的方式,今天你的英文大概跟台灣小學生差不多,
不過也不能責怪你,畢竟語言跟判斷力是兩件事,
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講這麼多幹嘛,當初如果你用樓主的方式,今天你的英文大概跟台灣小學生差不多,
不過也不能責怪你,畢竟語言跟判斷力是兩件事,

其實他的想法也就點出了台灣很難在產業上進行技術升級的主因 -- 旁門左道 , 急功近利 , 練功不實 , 劍走偏鋒 . 用這種心態學英文 , 英文學到一定的程度就達到技術瓶頸 ; 用這種心態發展產業, 也是技術引進到一定的程度就達到理論上限 .

小時不練功 , 到老一場空 . 練外不練內 , 落得兩頭鬆 . (老是旁門左道技術引進 , 卻不肯花時間聽說讀寫 , 不願意在實驗室花功夫好好把技術來龍去脈摸清楚 , 永遠只能畫虎不成反類犬 . 既不像虎也不像狗 !)

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講這麼多幹嘛,當初如果你用樓主的方式,今天你的英文大概跟台灣小學生差不多,
不過也不能責怪你,畢竟語言跟判斷力是兩件事,


有趣有趣....
閣下這話對很多小學生不甚公平,小心小學生生氣....
不過閣下的預知能力當算命師很適當. 烏鴉嘴烏累累..
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其實他的想法也就點出了台灣很難在產業上進行技術升級的主因 -- 旁門左道 , 急功近利 , 練功不實 , 劍走偏鋒 . 用這種心態學英文 , 英文學到一定的程度就達到技術瓶頸 ; 用這種心態發展產業, 也是技術引進到一定的程度就達到理論上限 .

小時不練功 , 到老一場空 . 練外不練內 , 落得兩頭鬆 . (老是旁門左道技術引進 , 卻不肯花時間聽說讀寫 , 不願意在實驗室花功夫好好把技術來龍去脈摸清楚 , 永遠只能畫虎不成反類犬 . 既不像虎也不像狗 !)


I just realized that I am the biggest moron on this board. I keep posting contradictory stuff and arguing with someone I don’t even know. But it is I who is the biggest moron. You are an evil, a bad to the bone fella. Maybe if I spew more crap I will make a difference. I am sure you read all of my crap. I can't live without being the top moron preaching to my moron brethren. Man I am such a moron. LOL!!!
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