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此文章於 2003-05-25 10:39 PM 被 orinsinal 編輯.
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LMAO, I never give any Chinese sites a sh*t.
In my thought the only thing they can do is nothing more but stealing/pirating articles from the others.
This mess is well...notoriously known to happen for quite a bunch of times already.

Besides, that is NOT my opinion, it's originally published by a French website.
http://www.3dchips-fr.com/News/comm...m=2003-05-15-10
As you can see, many ppl stated they'd encountered with the same bug.
But none of them, including the story writer himself, had said that this bug happens only on Win2K.
In addition, the issue had been floating around several other sites,
and debated/questioned as might be a cheat also.
http://www.elitebastards.com/page.p...ad=1&comments=1
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/...0520120020.html
As to English, I might be not as good as you,
but I teach English as a job.

http://news.mydrivers.com/google.php?tid=34
You can see this article,they also pointed that this news come from nvfrench
Watch Out! mydrivers.com pointed the same thing
French? Think about it. What you gave me was also a site in French

Maybe the original author did not provide a lot of substances to express their find.
But i think mydrivers.com may check this news further.
So i do not know what positions can you have to think mydrivers.com"s find is a dummy things.
 

此文章於 2003-05-25 10:59 PM 被 orinsinal 編輯.
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我不知道ut2003,doomIII等這些東西Nvidia是否有用其他方式"非法"優化
至少現在沒看到一個有力的論點出現
就玩家的角度而言,無損失的優化是被樂見的
很多hardcore的硬體玩家都會去抓圖來比較畫質,這些玩家也可以從UT2003等東西來發現
但是目前還沒有看到相關文章出現,所以就姑且當作這些遊戲屬於合理的最佳化吧

nvidia顯卡跑我愛玩的Serious Sam頗快速的,Quake3系列也是
至於那些較少被測試到的遊戲(有人測試GTA:VC嗎?),就不得而知了
不過nvidia顯卡仍為主流的情形下,至少一般表現的預期不會太差
我上篇表達的只是某些人當看到某些著名軟體的結果的反應而已。

這種人國內國外都有


我覺得ut2003 的flyby是最容易被動手腳的
有時新版driver動不動就提升數十%是從那來的
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[WTF is NVFrench/NVFrance?]
There's not even a site named after these.
MyDrivers is taking others articles as their own, just like most Chinese sites do.
They steal the snapshot as well, and just do a little PS work on it.
And how rude they are even to mistype the origin of the news!

3DChips-fr is the one who originally found the issue, not the BS NVFrench/NVFrance.
This news was also discussed on NVNews and Beyond3D forums, and the origin is of course "3DChips-fr".
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=12126
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5939

And we can find that the bug happens not only on Win2K, but WinXP SP1 as well.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=11884

All in all, we're not saying that it wouldn't be a bug, but there's just some suspicion lingers on.

We can tell that your English is not so good, as you keep misunderstanding what the point is, and react really funny.
Maybe you could try to state your thoughts in Chinese in order to prevent yourself from becoming a joke.

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http://news.mydrivers.com/google.php?tid=34
You can see this article,they also pointed that this news come form nvfrench
Watch Out! mydrivers.com pointed the same thing
French? Think about it. What you gave me was also a site in French

Maybe the original author did not provide a lot of substances to express their find.
But i think mydrivers.com may check this news further.
So i do not know what postions can you have to think mydrivers.com"s find is a dummy things.

此文章於 2003-05-25 11:43 PM 被 Ibiza 編輯.
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[WTF is NVFrench/NVFrance?]
There's not even a site named after these.
MyDrivers is taking others articles as their own, just like most Chinese sites do.
They steal the snapshot as well, and just do a little PS work on it.
And how rude they are even to mistype the origin of the news!

3DChips-fr is the one who originally found the issue, not the BS NVFrench/NVFrance.
This news was also discussed on NVNews and Beyond3D forums, and the origin is of course "3DChips-fr".
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=12126
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5939
And we can find that the bug happens not only on Win2K, but WinXP SP1 as well.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=11884
All in all, we're not saying that it wouldn't be a bug, but there's just some suspicion lingers on.
We can tell that your English is not so good, as you keep misunderstanding what the point is, and react really funny.
Maybe you could try to state your thoughts in Chinese in order to prevent yourself from becoming a joke.

Even if my English is bad,so what?
I think I still expressed my thoughts clearly.

I still want to know how can you confirm that mydrivers.com's find is a dummy thing?If you does not think so,what is your thought?

It is not important about where is the original source, we are talking about is the same thing(bug).
It may have relation with Windows OS、some compatibility or not....etc.
Because it seems like the abnormal things cannot be seen on every platform.

Someone in the nvnews.net also reported that he got the correct rendered screen.What is this?
(Funny...http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=11884 This link is in your article.)
I would use 3DMark2001 to check it.
My pc platform is WinxpSP1、Geforce3Ti200

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其實3DMark2003開發過程沒有nVidia主要加入就是一個不夠客觀的事實
去年只有Matrox、ATi有DX9世代產品的推出
(3DLabs WildCatVP?那驅動程式Suck到讓超強的VPU只有R9000Pro的娛樂3D等級)
那些Futuremark合作的副廠商,如Trident、SIS...等這些開發2K3參與的夥伴
他們的DX9產品連Sample明確架構白皮書都還沒出來吧.
當然Nvdia自己去年太晚定案nv30東西出來,跟不上別人、退出都是自找的

反正nv跑其他遊戲好,有心人士也能解釋為這些東西都是遊戲廠商對nv最佳化的結果
3DMark2003就是目前最完美的的Benchmark程式,反映了這些人心中一張顯示卡真正(?)的效能

真正的有好遊戲表現才是明確的重點。
在顯示卡上synthetic benchmark本來就只是當作參考就好

1.NV30太慢出來 NVIDIA的確只能怪自己...
2.遊戲廠商基於NV的佔有率對其最佳化也無可厚非...
這就像為什麼不少TV GAME大作都執意出在PS2上...
這情形與其期待遊戲廠商 不如ATI自己爭氣點提高市佔率...
3.benchmark的確只是參考...
問題是NV的做法在道德上實在令人不敢茍同(當然或許商場上本來就不談道德)...
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And we can find that the bug happens not only on Win2K, but WinXP SP1 as well.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=11884

Default


4x FSAA + 8x AnisotropicFiltering (Max.)

No comment.
Seeing is believing.

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Don't you know waht suspicion is?
And what does dummy means here?
I want to let you know that I simply will never trust anything from the mainland China.
Not to mention that they in fact do not supply anything really meaningful.
Do they indeed dig further to investigate the issue?
Well, obviously not.
Even if they surely did, why should I believe in what they say?
Do they have an invincible reputation?
Are they the criterion of the hardware industry?
I just simply, plainly believes not information from such an unreliable source.

And all that I did was just to show up the matter which actually happens, concerning a render issue related to the new Detonator, that I found on some websites.

here quoted again
http://www.elitebastards.com/forum/...der=asc&start=0
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The French website called 3D Chips discovered a rendering bug with 3DMark 2001 SE when using the new drivers, a GeForce FX 5600, GeForce FX 5200 or GeForce4 Ti4600 and 4X FSAA and 8X Anisotropic Filtering. In the Dragothic test, the dragon isn't being displayed. This could be classified as a clipping type error or bug. It could also be a result of buggy cheating code, couldn't it? But then there would be cheating in every test as the GeForce4 Ti4600 has always had a healthy lead before the Radeon 9700 Pro came out. This is happening three different nVidia cards.


Can't you see that it although might be a bug (I never say it could never be), but during this time of the hot debate of the 3DMark03 cheating, the render prob. of 3DMark2001 SE might be bit of "suspicious", "doubtable". That's it.

While the spotlight is on the 3DMark03 issue now,
a new doubt has emerged. This will only make NV and its new Detonator FX even more questionable.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=12339
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6038
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Don't you know waht suspicion is?
And what does dummy means here?
I want to let you know that I simply will never trust anything from the mainland China.
Not to mention that they in fact do not supply anything really meaningful.
Do they indeed dig further to investigate the issue?
Well, obviously not.
Even if they surely did, why should I believe in what they say?
Do they have an invincible reputation?
Are they the criterion of the hardware industry?
I just simply, plainly believes not information from such an unreliable source.

"dummy" 可以解釋為仿造、冒充,既然閣下認為new.mydrivers.com那張圖沒啥可信度
從來對於大陸網站都當作bullshit.
難不成閣下把那張圖表當寶、以為是真的,這不就代表你認為那是個冒充的評測?
顧左右而言他我不奉陪了,對你這種人懶得用順便練習英文回你
好好討論到後來把對方奉為笑話就算了
你要不要先處理一下你之前po的那篇大芭樂?
一個外國網友,他不是須對自己報導作一定負責的網路媒體
連證據都沒有提出的東西,你就信以為真?頗值得玩味的

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Can't you see that it although might be a bug (I never say it could never be), but during this time of the hot debate of the 3DMark03 cheating, the render prob. of 3DMark2001 SE might be bit of "suspicious", "doubtable". That's it.
While the spotlight is on the 3DMark03 issue now,
a new doubt has emerged. This will only make NV and its new Detonator FX even more questionable.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sho...?threadid=12339
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6038

我也認為44.03是一個爭議性的驅動程式,貴樣拿2K1消失的飛龍來
對照44.03其他等降低精度的取樣方式增進分數,所以我回覆你的首
篇文章不就在於3DMark2K1 GT2飛龍的上面嗎?因為我自己測過2K1
並沒有發現這類情況。

之後又有mydrivers.com的評論,所以我認為這可能是作業系統相容性
等問題,而不是nVidia如在2k3上的取巧。

這兩者是不同輕重的事情,相容性問題Bug沒什麼好爭議的,畢竟這不是
常態,更無論作弊。在一切未明朗前只能相信既有一定可信度的資訊,不
知道貴樣是在硬凹什麼?還是看對方的文章有看沒有懂?
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