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遊戲史上幾乎可以說沒有任何遊戲如spore般那麼有話題性與爭議性,
spore近期的銷售成績可說亮麗,
其中絕大部分消費者可能壓根兒不知DRM是啥玩意,
除非有上網並注意遊戲發展趨勢的玩家~~

spore近期銷售資訊
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10040941-52.html
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54875
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54760
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/4...mes-of-the-Week
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy...97220&mode=news

EA相關人員不願透露或預估銷售情形,
市場分析師暨遊戲業專家Colin Sebastian預測spore在一個月內應可達銷售200萬套的佳績~~
     
      
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再去挖了一些國外有關spore的資料,並稍作翻譯,有興趣的可以看看~~

SPORE的DRM讓EA纏訟
http://technologyexpert.blogspot.co...ea-lawsuit.html
36頁的訟書(PDF),個人認為宣告意味較大~~
http://www.mybloop.com/Iria/Spore_Class_Action_pdf

節錄裡面提到的
What purchasers are not told is that, included in the purchase, installation, and operation of Spore is a second, undisclosed program. The name of the second program is SecuROM, which is a form of Digital Rights Management (DRM) for computer games. Although consumers are told that the game uses access control and copy protection technology, consumers are not told that this technology is actually an entirely separate, stand-alone program which will download, install, and operate on their computers, along with the Spore download. Consumers are given no control, rights, or options over SecuROM. The program is uninstallable. Once installed, it become (sic) a permanent part of the consumer's software portfolio. Even if the consumer uninstalls Spore, and entirely deletes it from their computer, SecuROM remains a fixture in their computer unless and until the consumer completely wipes their hard drive through reformatting or replacement of the drive.

大意是說,玩家認知而安裝的,只有SPORE這套軟體,
但事實上安裝完SPORE後,第二套軟體已被悄然安裝而消費者可能渾然不知,
這套軟體名稱叫SecuROM,那是DRM對應PC GAME所使用的程式之一,
消費者雖被告知該軟體(SPORE)已使用防盜保護技術,但卻不知該技術是
一項獨立運作的程式。消費者對SecuROM這軟體沒有任何控制或選擇權,
這套軟體不能被反安裝。一旦安裝後,它將如影隨形陪伴左右,
變成你電腦中永久軟體的一部分,就算反安裝SPORE,它仍然存在,
除非格式化硬碟或重裝系統!

Nowhere in any of EA's discussions, responses or explanations of its DRM did EA disclose that the Spore disk contained a separately install, stand alone, uninstallable DRM program which would install itself to the command and control center of the computer and oversee function and operation on the computer, preventing certain user actions, preventing certain user programs from operating or disrupting hardware operations.

EA的討論區未見對此事件的回應或解釋,這套軟體會控制你的電腦並
隨時監控此電腦的運作與操作,並阻止使用者的某些行為,
以及使一些程式無法正常運作或導致硬體運作的混亂!


可能受於輿論或其他壓力,最後有釋出SecuROM反安裝檔,
因為這侵犯到電腦使用者的自主權,於理是站不住的,
誰都不想自己的電腦被凌駕作業系統層級之上的SecuROM來監控~~
(SecuROM安裝後,作業系統並不認得這套軟體,如果你有安裝任何
DRM的遊戲,在遊戲反安裝後,不要忘記SecuROM還在電腦中)

危機對SecuROM的說明
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM#cite_note-12
 
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底下這篇深具卓見且洞悉人性!

pc game開發人員有的基本信念:不理盜版
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...he-pirates.html

節錄最後一段
"The reason why we don't put copy protection on our games isn't because we're nice guys. We do it because the people who actually buy games don't like to mess with it. Our customers make the rules, not the pirates. Pirates don't count," Wardell argues. "When Sins popped up as the #1 best selling game at retail a couple weeks ago, a game that has no copy protect whatsoever, that should tell you that piracy is not the primary issue."

我們不把防盜技術加諸我們自己的遊戲當中,
並不是因為我們是爛好人,
我們如此做是因為知道會掏錢購買的消費者不喜歡如此,
顧客決定我們的策略,而不是那些盜版者。
Wardell說
”當sins這個沒有任何防盜技術的遊戲幾個禮拜前躍居零售商銷售榜第一的時候,
已經明白透露盜版並非主要議題所在。”
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這篇比較諷刺,其實spore應該可以賣得更好!

DRM讓SPORE成為史上盜版最旺的遊戲
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...d_game_ever.php

Spore, a Sim-like game about the evolution of creatures, was recently released as one of the most anticipated games of the year. Our initial impressions were high with the release of SporeCreator. However, Spore itself failed to meet our expectations. In the end, we found the game to be too simple for our tastes.

SPORE,一個生物演化模擬類型的遊戲,最近剛發行,
是一款高度受玩家引頸企盼的遊戲。
我們對於SporeCreator的初始印象評價是不錯的,但是,
最後我們仍覺得這遊戲太過簡單,無法迎合我們口味。

A major problem that plagued the release of Spore was the inclusion of a DRM system. This has caused multiple reviews of Spore to be disappointing for Electronic Arts (EA), the developing and publishing company of Spore. If EA hoped the problem would go away, it hasn't. Fans and "pirates" have taken things one step further to make Spore one of the most pirated games ever.

讓spore發行後飽受批判的,是DRM機制的加入。這讓spore的評價褒貶不一,
並且衝擊EA的spore開發部門及出版部門,使他們感到沮喪。
如果EA希望這個問題會隨時間而化,可能沒辦法達成,
遊戲迷與盜版者甚至採取進一步的行動,以確立spore是有史以來盜匪最旺的遊戲。

We Told You So
The DRM system included in Spore has caused an outrage in the gaming community. We stated in our review of the game that the DRM system would have to go if Spore wanted to succeed. Apparently, consumers of the game seem to feel the same way. As of today, Spore has been downloaded over 500,000 times on various bittorrent sites and doesn't look to be slowing down. The first 300,000 downloads of Spore happened after just one day of the game being released. These pirated versions of Spore remove the DRM system that users encounter when installing the game. While it's not uncommon for popular games to hit those type of numbers on P2P sites, it's unusual for it to happen so quickly. Currently, the game has been the most popular download all week on The Pirate Bay, one of the most popular and controversial bittorrent sites around.

我們早告訴你們如此--
DRM機制對遊戲產業可以說是吹皺一池春水,造成極大憤懣。我們曾經在
我們的遊戲評析中說如果spore想要成功,DRM就必需遺棄,顯然的,
消費者與我們感同身受。直至今天, spore已經在BT中被下載超過500000次,
並且沒有減緩的跡象。其中有300000次是遊戲發行後一天之內的下載數量,
盜版的spore版本移除了安裝遊戲時會遭遇的DRM機制。
一些受歡迎的遊戲可能也會達到同樣多的下載次數,不足為奇,
但很少像spore般如此快速地達到這個數值。
目前spore蟬聯pirate bay中最受歡迎且下載的遊戲,
而pirate bay是最受歡迎且爭議不斷的BT下載站之一。

DRM is Not the Answer
The Sims 2 currently holds the record for the most pirated game. Pirates and disappointed fans are looking to change that. According to the TorrentFreak blog,
[Spore's] download rate exceeds that of any other pirated game in history, and in a week or two from now it will be the most pirated game ever on BitTorrent.
Spore is still one of the worst rated games on Amazon. Since its release it has been given a rating of only 1 star by more than 50% of its reviewers. The majority of these ratings address problems with the DRM system. DRM is not the answer and continues to provoke "pirates" to release what publishers should have given to customers from the beginning.
There's no doubt that Spore would've been pirated regardless of the DRM system. However, users of P2P networks are now encouraging others to pirate the game in order to teach EA a lesson. A commenter on the Pirate Bay known as "deathkitten" stated,
"You have the power to make this the most pirated game ever, to give corporate bastards a virtual punch in the face."
Unfortunately for EA, this is exactly what they're doing. We hope that EA will learn from this experience and the feedback of their customers.

DRM並非盜版靈藥--
目前模擬市民2是被非法下載最多的遊戲,但盜版者及對spore感到失望的人
正準備改寫紀錄。根據torrentfreak的部落格敘述,
“spore的被下載率比史上任何盜版遊戲都快,
在1~2個禮拜內將有可能搶下BT盜版遊戲的龍頭寶座。”
Spore目前仍是amazon網站上評價最爛的遊戲之一,
自從發售迄今已經有超過一半的玩家給予最低1顆星的評價,
問題的主要部分仍環繞DRM打轉。
DRM並不是盜版靈藥,反而激勵盜版者釋出沒有DRM版本的spore,
而這應該是遊戲公司一開始就要給予消費者的權益。

毫無疑問,不論有無DRM, spore都將慘遭盜版荼毒,
但現在, p2p的使用者也鼓勵大家下載spore的盜版,
藉此給EA一個教訓。在pirate bay一個名為deathkitten說
“你有權利讓spore成為有史以來盜版最旺的遊戲,
藉此給遊戲公司的混蛋們一個當頭棒喝!”
可惜,目前EA仍我行我素,我們希望EA能接受到信息並予玩家應有之回應。
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請問一下 那裡可以找到SecuROM 的反安裝檔

我前一陣子也有玩一下 就反安裝了

玩到宇宙時期時 ,讓我感覺整個格局很小 .......愈玩愈無聊

都是在做重複性很高的事

就移除了.

但我現在怕SecuROM的東西還遺留在我的電腦,

不知那裡可以找到SecuROM的反安裝檔

謝謝
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但現在, p2p的使用者也鼓勵大家下載spore的盜版,
藉此給EA一個教訓。在pirate bay一個名為deathkitten說
“你有權利讓spore成為有史以來盜版最旺的遊戲,
藉此給遊戲公司的混蛋們一個當頭棒喝!”

可惜,目前EA仍我行我素,我們希望EA能接受到信息並予玩家應有之回應。


讓小建想起以前的大宇遊戲也是如此...
本來有好遊戲, 如軒轅劍或仙劍, 一定買正版!

結果卻發現... 被之前的防拷機制搞死, 放入正版光碟來玩都常讀不到...
(有經歷過的應該都能體會)

乖乖花錢購買正版的反被防拷機制懲罰...
那, 大家為何要笨笨地買正版?!
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看在Maxis的製作上還不錯玩
那個SecuROM真的很討厭......
連Crysis WARHEAD也加入,不過Crysis WARHEAD是安裝完直接秀出來給你看......
哪邊有EA釋出的移除SecuROM可載呢
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讓小建想起以前的大宇遊戲也是如此...
本來有好遊戲, 如軒轅劍或仙劍, 一定買正版!

結果卻發現... 被之前的防拷機制搞死, 放入正版光碟來玩都常讀不到...
(有經歷過的應該都能體會)

乖乖花錢購買正版的反被防拷機制懲罰...
那, 大家為何要笨笨地買正版?!



沒錯,小建大!!
我買的4、滄之滔、5都是這樣,有原版CD卻沒辦法玩,還要去到免光碟檔,這真的是讓人覺得太104了,所以現在新的漢之雲,我就不買了,因為受了3次的教訓,氣夠了!!
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請問一下 那裡可以找到SecuROM 的反安裝檔

我前一陣子也有玩一下 就反安裝了

玩到宇宙時期時 ,讓我感覺整個格局很小 .......愈玩愈無聊

都是在做重複性很高的事

就移除了.

但我現在怕SecuROM的東西還遺留在我的電腦,

不知那裡可以找到SecuROM的反安裝檔

謝謝


http://www.securom.com/support/SecuROM_Uninstaller.zip
需稍候
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剛開始覺得很有趣,但是一過部落時期後就覺得索然無趣...
最後對這遊戲的感想...這遊戲野心很大,什麼類型都想做,但最後
變成什麼類型都很不精,感覺不出遊戲的重心,如果真的要談重心,
就只剩下自己創造物件SKIN的樂趣而已
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