[請問]我想買LG4160b,PioneerA08XL,Asus1604p其中一台?(我是電腦白痴,請各位大大釋疑)

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對不起英文看不明白.......
但謝謝!

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Rev...ArticleId=11079

LG Electronics, formerly known as GoldStar, was established in 1958 as the pioneer in the Korean consumer electronics market. Since then, a lot has changed in LG Electronics. In November 2000, Hitachi and LG formed a new joint venture to manufacture optical storage drives under the name "HL-DS". These recorders are well tuned and with unique features.

LG 電子，以前被稱為GoldStar，在1958年被確定為在朝鮮民用電子工業市場裡的先驅者。從那以後，經常已經在LG 電子方面改變。在2000 11月，日立和LG 成立一家新合資企業生產光存儲器在名字"HL DS"下駕駛。這些錄音機調試得好和有獨特特點。

Their latest internal drives are the GSA-4120B 12X burner and the GSA-4160B burner. The GSA-4120B model has already been tested by CDRInfo and was found to have excellent writing quality performance. Let us see in this review if the new 4160B model continuous to write media as well as its predecessor did, but now at the higher 16X speed.

他們的最新內部的運動是GSA-4120B 12X 燃燒器和GSA-4160B 燃燒器。 GSA-4120B 模型已經被CDRInfo測試並且被發現有極好的寫的高品性性能。在回顧這內讓我們看見如果那些連續的新模特4160 B寫和它前任的過去一樣好的媒介，但是現下以更高的16X速度。

- Features

The LG GSA-4160B can burn a full Single Layer disc in less than 6 mins. It can write +R media at 16X, -R media at 8X and can re-write at 4X. Of course, Double Layer media is also supported, at 2.4X writing speed.

-特徵

LG GSA-4160B 能在不到6分燃燒一個充分的單層光碟。它在8X在16X，R 媒介能寫+R 媒介並且能在4X 重新寫。當然，雙層的媒介也被支持，在2.4X 寫速度。

The main difference between this drive and other competitors drives is that it can read and write DVD-RAM media, making it compatible with all the DVD media formats.

Below are the full specs for the drive:

主要差別在這駕駛和其他競爭者之間駕駛是它能讀並且寫DVD RAM 媒介，使它與全部DVD 媒介形式相容。

在下面是運動的詳盡的說明︰

(表格請自行參閱原網頁)

The drive uses the well known RPC II region control, allowing a user to change the drive's region at most 5 times.

Below are the drive's main specs as given by NeroInfoTool and DVDInfoPro:

運動使用眾所周知的RPC II個地區控制，允許一個用戶在大多數5次改變運動的地區。

在下面象透過NeroInfoTool 和DVDInfoPro 給的那樣是運動的主要說明︰

The drive / Retail Package

We received the LG GSA-4120B retail package, as well as the bulk version of the drive. The retail package includes the internal SuperMulti GSA-4160B writer, and recording, DVD authoring and DVD playback software (Nero, InCD, PowerProducer Gold and PowerDVD player). You will also find an owner's manual and manual for Nero recording software, as well as an audio cable, mounting screws and atapi cable.

運動/零售包

我們收到LG GSA-4120B零售包，和運動的體積版本。零售包包括內部的SuperMulti GSA-4160B作家，記錄，發起的DVD 和DVD 配音還音軟體(尼羅，InCD，PowerProducer 黃金和PowerDVD 運動員)。你也將為記錄軟體，以及一封音頻的電報的尼羅發現一位擁有人手工和手工，安裝螺絲和atapi電報。

The front panel is not particularly impressive, since LG used the same typical panel available on most LG recorders. You can see the "Super Multi", "DVD+RW", "US-RW" and "DVD Multi Recorder" logos. However, there is no DVD+R DL format logo.

因為LG使用在大多數LG 錄音機上可提供的相同的典型的板，面板不太給人深刻印象。你能看見"超級多"，"DVD+RW"，"美國-RW"和"DVD多錄音機"標識。不過，沒有DVD+R DL 形式標識。

On the rear panel you will find the analogue and digital audio outputs (SPDIF), the IDE selection pins, the IDE connector and the power input.

在后小組你將找到類似物和數字化的音頻的生產(SPDIF)，艾德選擇銷釘，艾德連接器和電源輸入。

Opening the device's case will void the warranty, so we advise against it. Instead, use the photos in this review for a closer look under the hood. Clicking on the image below will reveal a high resolution image.

箱將無效保證那兒，因此我們反對它。相反，在排汽缸下在這篇一個更近的表情的回顧裡使用照片。點擊這幅下面的圖像將顯示一幅高分辨率圖像。

The main chipset is the same chipset that the GSA-4120B model uses, coming from TDK and and with part number R8J32005FP.

主要晶片組是GSA-4120B 模型使用的相同的晶片組，來自TDK，並且與部分數目R8J32005FP。

The following picture shows the laser lens assembly of the LG GSA-4160B. By clicking on the picture, you can see a higher resolution image.

下列圖顯示LG GSA-4160B的鐳射透鏡會議。透過點擊這張照片，你能看見一幅高分辨率圖像。

This laser len is identical to that of the LG GSA-4120B.

- Installation

The device was connected in our test PC and was identified as "HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B" under WinXP.

這面鐳射鏡子與LG GSA-4120B的相同。

-安裝

設備被在我們的試驗PC 過程中連結並且在WinXP下被鑑定為"DVDRAM GSA-4160B HL DT-街"。

In this review, we will be comparing the drive with the LiteON SOHW-1633S, NEC ND-3500A and Pioneer DVR-108 since all drives have similar specifications.

We received the drive with firmware version A301. We then flashed the firmware to the latest release, version A302. All writing tests are made with firmware version A302, while some reading test are made with firmware version A301, since reading performance of the drive is the same for both versions.

Improvement points of this new firmware is the addition of Optodisc DVD+R 8X (OPTODISCOR8), InfoDisc DVD+R 8X (INFODISCR20), Must DVD-R 8X (MUST003), DVD+R 16X codes of Sony, TDK and Philips, and some minor improvement of +RW and -RW rewriting ability.

在這篇回顧裡，我們SOHW 17世紀33年代將把運動與LiteON比較，NEC ND-3500A 和先驅者DVR-108 全部運動有相似的說明。

我們用固件版本A301 收到運動。我們然後對最新的發行，版本A302閃爍固件。全部寫的試驗都由固件版本A302做出，因為運動的讀性能對兩個版本是一樣的，當讀試驗的一些由固件版本A301做出時。

這個新固件的改進點是Optodisc DVD+R 8X(OPTODISCOR8)的增加， InfoDisc DVD+R 8X(INFODISCR20)，必須8X DVD-R(MUST003)，代碼16X DVD+R的TDK 和菲利浦和一些較小改進的+RW的，新力的和 -RW 重寫能力。

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我喜歡這種酸與苦的感覺，因為它的發酵，會讓我想到我們過去的回憶，雖然痛苦卻又令人懷念
有感而發地純路過...

看到這個，我發現我的眼睛又開始在流汗了

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2004-10-24, 09:09 PM #6

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快睡著了= ='''.....

這是小弟在這個討論串討論之後，才放棄購買liteon 1633s而改買nec 3500a的...

http://forum.pcdvd.com.tw/showthread.php?t=398266

tnt4大大引述CDRLabs網友Halc的說法
原始網頁：
http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewto...13405&start=100

I got my c't 21/2004 issue as well. Some tidbits:

BURNERS

+ The best DVD+R 16x / DVD+R DL burner was not the inventors of the plus format, but Pioneer! It was the only drive to score usable burns on all 16 and DL + media. The trick? It burned 2 of the 3 media at 4x. Still, if one considers the average user, that's what the drive SHOULD do: burn at the highest SAFE setting and not with the higest settings that produces useless burns.

+ Nec is a very good -R burner, no doubt about that. It only stumbles by trying to burn 8x DVD-R MCC 02RG20/Taiwan at 12x. It's indirect lower level measures are also consistently among the best for -R media. On +R media it is so good, it hurts (burns at 8x). Only fails by trying to burn 8x DVD+R TY T02 at 16x and trying to burn MCC DL media at 4x. If those results are discarded, it's so much better burner in total than any of the others (IMHO).

+ LG is the leasty noisy burner/reader of them all. Not surprisinginly, LiteOn burner is subjectively more than twice as loud (something which is a proud tradition for LiteOn).

+ For DVD playback Nec is clearly the most silent (dvd at 1x). Pioneer is close second, but others come far behind.

- LG, BenQ and Pioneer are not very good at +R 8x media, because they try to burn them at 12x or faster, resulting in really unhealthy looking measurements from the discs. Probably they are much better at 8x, but 12x surely wasn't usable with those firmwares tested.

- Both Philips and BenQ fail on Philips 16x DVD+R (burned at 16x). I find that quite amusing

- LiteOn based burners fail on so many burns/media it is not even funny anymore. They really need to start getting their act together. Either they should delay their launches 6 months and ship with actually working firmware, or then just manufacture better hardware.

= If I would buy a single burner based on that test, it would again be Nec 3500. While LG, Pioneer and BenQ look promising, they are trying to push the limits by burning too fast for their own good. For average users (who will burn at max speed without thinking) they are not good choices. LiteOn I wouldn't recommend to anyone. People should just stop buying their crap and they would be forced to come out with a burner that just works. Now their burners are interesting activity generators (patch this, patch that, hack this, hack that, try this disc, don't try that, etc. ad nauseum)

MEDIA

+ Looks like MCC DL media was some kind of test media for DL burning for most manufacturers. It's results are so consistently good across the board.

- With three total failures (not even CATS could read the burns) and other burns being below spec of marginally usable, I consider Ritek DL media to be pretty much useless with those firmware revisions tested.

- Not a single 8x -R or +R media is ready to be overspeed burned succesfully on all drives to 12x or 16x. Some drives succesfully overspeed burn some media, but none of the media is overspeed burned succesfully on all the drives. Neither is none of the drives able to succesfully overspeed burn all the media. In short, overspeed burning is really only for thrill seekers, who don't give a toss about burn quality. IMHO.

SUMMARY
It was interesting to see that the results of firmware are so important on burn quality. Much more so at 16x and 8x than at 4x/2x.

Also, DL at 2.4x is usable with MCC media. This was quite a surprise to me. I was really expecting mediocre results with most. The scans look actually almost good (not superior though).

All in all, a very informative test again. I hope c't will continue to investigate burn quality in the future as well.

中譯：
我也得到我的c't 21/2004 所發佈的結果。提供一些報告訊息︰

燒錄機

+ 最好的DVD+R 16x / DVD+R DL 不是plus陣營的開發者，而是pioneer的 + ！這是在全部16 和DL + 光碟片上贏得可用的燒錄之中，是唯一的燒錄機。這個是研發廠商的計謀嗎？它在4x 能燒錄三種煤介(應指＋、－、ＤＬ)，然而如果開發者考慮平均用戶的話，那是光碟機廠商應該要做到的(用SHOULD...表示作者蠻激動的)：燒錄在高水準的安全設定以及不要跟消費者討價還價地產生沒有價值的燒錄片。

+ NEC是非常好的 -R燒錄器，沒有任何的懷疑。它只是嘗試時栽在8X DVD-R三菱 02RG20/台灣製(於)12X的表現。它(NEC 3500A)具備更低的水準措施(指PI的控制程度)在最好的-R的光碟片中間是也一貫是間接的。關於+R光碟片的表現是如此的良好，它栽給在8X燒錄的表現(CD-R實驗室作者表示8X燒錄採用Z-CLV)。它僅有輸在燒錄8X DVD+R TY T02染料空片於16X燒錄以及嘗試燒錄三菱DL空片在4X的表現。(3500A)跟其他燒錄器相比較起來，它仍然算是比較好的燒錄器。

+ LG是在燒錄器中最安靜的，並不會讓人感到意外。LiteOn燒錄器在主觀上會比它具備大兩倍以上的聲音(這些觀點算是來自於LiteOn驕傲的傳統)。

+ 在於DVD撥放方面 NEC顯然是最安靜的(在1X的DVD時)。PIONEER以微小的差距居於第二，但是其他的的燒錄機就差很多了...

- LG、BENQ與PIONEER非常不擅長 +R 8X燒錄片，因為它們致力嘗試於12X或更快的速度去燒錄那些光碟片，導致實際上測量(PI值)這些燒錄片時，看起來都確實是不良品的觀感。或許它們非常擅長8x；但是在12x時無疑地肯定那些軔體不可以用來測試(NERO CD-DVD SPEED)。

- 菲利浦和BenQ在菲利浦16x DVD+R(在16x燒錄表現上)完全失敗。我發現那十分有趣

- LiteOn的基礎燒錄表現，在這些燒錄/光碟片測試平台上算是失敗的，這不再是笑話。他們(LiteOn的研發群)真的需要開始集中心思，他們應該要延遲6個月後再推出他們的產品，或者是正式製造時推出比較好的軔體。

= 如果我能夠再買一次燒錄器來參與試驗，它還是NEC 3500A。當LG，PIONEER和BenQ 看起來有希望時，他們試圖透過對於他們自己的利益來說，太快地推出燒錄器。對一般用戶(將以最大的速度燒錄的觀點來思考)來說，它們並不是好的選擇。我將不向任何人推薦使用LiteOn。人們將停止買他們的垃圾，他們將被迫公佈只工作的一個燒錄機。現下他們的燒錄機是有趣的活動發電機(修補這，修補那，破解這，破解那，試試這個光碟，不要試驗那，令人作噁)

光碟片

+ 看起來像MMC(三菱)的DL光碟片，有點兒像是大部分DL燒錄機採用的燒錄片。它們的表現結果大致上來說都是表現良好。

- 由於三種方面的徹底失效(連CAT這種專業燒錄片都無法讀取判讀資料)以及其他燒錄形成結果水準在可堪用的邊緣，我認為Ritek的DL 燒錄片用那些個軔體作測試也沒有辦法作到良好修正。

- 沒有一種單面單層的8X -R或 +R燒錄片是可以準備好參與在所有燒錄機裏用12X或16X超速燒錄成功的。有些燒錄機可以成功的超速燒錄一些燒錄片，但並非是說在所有的燒錄機上都可以使該光碟片能夠超速燒錄成功的。也不是說所有的燒錄片都可以在該燒錄機裏成功的超速燒錄。簡短的說，超速燒錄要不是實際上能夠(讓燒錄機能)激動搜尋的話，誰都不願意得到翻來覆去的燒錄品質。這是我個人謙遜的意見(IMHO=In My Humble Opinion)。

摘要

看見軔體的因素在於燒錄品質方面表現是十分有趣的，在16x與8x跟4x/2x的燒錄結果的眼光上來看。

此外，DL片在2.4X上能用的僅是三菱的空片。這對我而言來說是相當徹底的驚奇。我真的很期待能夠看到最普通的結果。在(CAT的)掃描結果看起來實際上幾乎可以說是好的(儘管來說是不優良的)。

總而言之，再一次的報告測試結果，使得這次的是非常具有情報性。我由衷的希望C'T在未來也還能夠繼續去研究燒錄品質的試驗。
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CAT是專業的燒錄測試用機，一台聽說要上百萬元新台幣，主要是各大光碟廠測試光碟片之母片品質之用...

在賴以立老師的網站有提到CAT....

http://www.lairy.com/badcdr.htm

附註：在CD-DVDs.裏找到的對岸學術文章，值得一看：(簡體)

也是DVD光碟的測試文章

http://www.cdbest.net/2003/ReadNews.asp?NewsID=1651

....

該睡了...已經在撞鍵盤了

就　這樣

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2004-10-25, 02:10 AM #9

hoho8778 New Member 加入日期: Oct 2004 文章: 7	對不起英文看不明白....... 但謝謝!
2004-10-24, 02:27 AM #3

gameguy 停權中加入日期: Feb 2001 您的住址: 台北市,台灣文章: 1,756	不過再怎麼我也不太建議去購買Pioneer A07XL,A08XL,asus 0804P,1604P，問題回報率過高，真的想賭一把試試看到可以考慮(賭到用沒多久就有問題的機會不小)，買的人自己多多保重了。
2004-10-24, 06:48 PM #4

hk169 Basic Member 加入日期: Oct 2004 文章: 19	我也是用4160b的燒碟時真的很寧靜我買的碟片還沒挑片介紹一隻韓國品牌的碟片 dno 8x 可12x超燒
2004-10-24, 11:26 PM #7

hoho8778 New Member 加入日期: Oct 2004 文章: 7	謝謝各位大大的釋疑!!!!!!!
2004-10-24, 11:56 PM #8

wasimingming Major Member 加入日期: Jul 2004 文章: 174	真的很感謝"路人亂入"大大，每次只要有人回答的文章，一定都可以為開板的、進來看文章的人帶來很多資料，連英文都幫忙翻譯.....我只想說"真的很感謝！" [ 您也大大增加我買NEC 3500 的信心了！ ^^ ] __________________ -- 為了自己的未來努力雖然還是很茫然，但是如果機會出現卻沒實力，不就糗了！
2004-10-25, 04:24 PM #10