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"Do not buy a GeForce4-MX for Doom" Nvidia has really made a mess of the naming conventions here. I always thought it was bad enough that GF2 was just a speed bumped GF1, while GF3 had significant architectural improvements over GF2. I expected GF4 to be the speed bumped GF3, but calling the NV17 GF4-MX really sucks. GF4-MX¯u¬O¥O¤H³è±ó.. |
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GF4-MX will still run Doom properly, but it will be using the NV10 codepath with only two texture units and no vertex shaders. A GF3 or 8500 will be much better performers. The GF4-MX may still be the card of choice for many people depending on pricing, especially considering that many games won't use four textures and vertex programs, but damn, I wish they had named it something else. ·N«ä¬O»¡´N¥LªºDoom2¨Ó»¡,GF4 MX¥u¯à¨Ï¥ÎNV10(GF1)ªºµ{¦¡½X,¥u¦³¨âÓ Texture Unit,¦Ó¥B¨S¦³Vertex program.GF3¸ò8500·|¤ñGF4 MXn¦n.ªº½T¦³ «Ü¦h¹CÀ¸¥i¯à¤£·|¥Î¨ì4Ótexture¸òvertex programs,¦ý¬O¥¦À³¸Ón³Q©R¦W ¦¨¨ä¥¦ªº¦W¦r(¦Ó¤£¬OGF4 MX)....... |
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