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T磨人改 2020-09-07 05:55 PM

受益良多, 感謝狼大指點。

oxa9615 2020-09-10 08:45 AM

您好,再請教:
我在查詢EFB跟AGM,發現有人底下回答到有動能回收這部分,是否真的有差異?
目前車子使用EFB推測是充電方面的問題,感覺得出來車子有放油門跟剎車動能回收的動作。
底下提到AGM的動能回收,是否真的是使用AGM才能較正常運作?

what is different between EFB and AGM? What is your suggestion for passat 2016.
Lai E. - 24 Jun 2020
EFB technology is mainly used for start-stop systems with high energy requirements. The Running Bull EFB battery is the perfect solution for small cars up to the upper middle class. AGM technology is primarily used in start-stop systems with the highest energy requirements and brake energy recovery.

Suggestion for Passat 2016 is DIN70 EFB.
CC AUTO - answered within 1 hour

冰的啦魔王大人 2020-09-10 05:11 PM

沒有人比原廠更懂她自己造的車,
不用搞怪買比原廠貴的東西,尤其沒有理論邏輯支撐之下.

你可以考慮的只有依照原廠的邏輯,買便宜副廠的去省一點錢.
:think:

sutl 2020-09-10 06:35 PM

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作者冰的啦魔王大人
沒有人比原廠更懂她自己造的車,
不用搞怪買比原廠貴的東西,尤其沒有理論邏輯支撐之下.

你可以考慮的只有依照原廠的邏輯,買便宜副廠的去省一點錢.
:think:

是嗎?

福特就曾經為了舒適,將很多SUV的原廠胎壓設定在26psi,結果產生了很多爆胎事故,最後把這些事故推給輪胎廠FIRESTONE,導致FIRESTONE賠償到破產。

冰的啦魔王大人 2020-09-11 12:05 AM

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作者sutl
是嗎?

福特就曾經為了舒適,將很多SUV的原廠胎壓設定在26psi,結果產生了很多爆胎事故,最後把這些事故推給輪胎廠FIRESTONE,導致FIRESTONE賠償到破產。


這是維基百科上的:
On March 6, 2000 NHTSA began a preliminary inquiry[17] and on May 2, NHTSA began an investigation (PE00-020)[2] concerning the high incidence of tire failures and accidents of Ford Explorers and other light trucks and SUVs fitted with Firestone Radial ATX, ATX II, and Wilderness tires.[2] On August 9 Firestone recalled all ATX and ATX II tires and all Wilderness AT tires manufactured in Decatur, IL. On August 31, 2000 the Office of Defect Investigation (ODI) upgraded the investigation to an Engineering Analysis (EA00-023) to determine whether Firestone's recall covered all the defective tires.[2]

Ford and Firestone both issued root cause analyses to NHTSA.[2] Firestone argued that vehicle weight, tire design, low recommended inflation pressure, and lower tire adhesion for tires manufactured at the Decatur, IL factory contributed to the tire failures. Ford argued that the tire design led to higher operating temperatures compared to similar tires manufactured by Goodyear and that differences in manufacturing at Decatur led to weaker tires that were more prone to failure. Ford also argued that the size of the wedge, a strip of rubber between the first and second belts, is smaller in Firestone tires than Michelin tires making them weaker than comparable Michelin tires.

Publicly Firestone argued that Ford's recommended 26 psi inflation pressure was too low and should have been 30 psi.[7] In addition Firestone argued that the Explorer was abnormally dangerous and prone to rollovers in the event of a tire failure, leading to more injuries and fatalities. In the words of Firestone CEO John Lampe, "When a driver of a vehicle has something happen such as a tread separation, they should be able to pull over not rollover."[18]

Ford argued that the Explorer was no more dangerous than any other SUV[19] and that the accident rate for Explorers with Goodyear tires was far lower than for Explorers with Firestone tires.[20] Ford also argued that there was something wrong with the design of Firestone tires and with the manufacturing of those tires at the Decatur, IL factory.

Some outside observers speculated that both parties were to blame suggesting that[14] Firestone's tires being prone to tread separation and failure, and the Explorer was especially prone to rolling over if a tire fails at speed compared to other vehicles.[21]










26 psi 與 30psi 竟然可以差距這麼大? 真意外啊!
奉勸各位每次開車前應該仔細檢查胎壓! 以免....

阿對了, 載重與氣候溫度也會影響車子行車時的胎壓,真的要非常小心!

sutl 2020-09-11 07:35 PM

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作者冰的啦魔王大人
26 psi 與 30psi 竟然可以差距這麼大? 真意外啊!
奉勸各位每次開車前應該仔細檢查胎壓! 以免....

阿對了, 載重與氣候溫度也會影響車子行車時的胎壓,真的要非常小心!

美國夏天打26psi,到冬天可能連16psi都沒有 :stupefy:

所以美國成為世界上第一個強制胎壓偵測的國家 :)

LSI狼 2020-09-12 01:07 AM

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作者oxa9615
您好,再請教:
我在查詢EFB跟AGM,發現有人底下回答到有動能回收這部分,是否真的有差異?
目前車子使用EFB推測是充電方面的問題,感覺得出來車子有放油門跟剎車動能回收的動作。
底下提到AGM的動能回收,是否真的是使用AGM才能較正常運作?

what is different between EFB and AGM? What is your suggestion for passat 2016.
Lai E. - 24 Jun 2020
EFB technology is mainly used for start-stop systems with high energy requirements. The Running Bull EFB battery is the perfect solution for small cars up to the upper middle class. AGM technology is primarily used in start-stop systems with the highest energy requirements and brake energy recovery.

Suggestion for Passat 2016 is DIN70 EFB.
CC AUTO - answered within 1 hour


充電制御會利用車輛滑行時開啟發電機,以AGM/EFB來說充電受入性都比傳統鉛酸要好,所以對這種利用滑行動能轉換發電的場合下,能較傳統鉛酸吸收較多的電能

不過說到動能回收,48V輕油電用的鋰電池,會比充電制御更有效率

冰的啦魔王大人 2020-09-12 03:35 PM

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作者sutl
美國夏天打26psi,到冬天可能連16psi都沒有 :stupefy:
所以美國成為世界上第一個強制胎壓偵測的國家 :)


嗯, 一個如果夏天打30psi, 冬天大概會有16psi 的概念. :flash:
我們老車得趕快去加裝胎壓偵測器了.. 不然就安裝失壓續跑胎一勞永逸 :)


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作者LSI狼
不過說到動能回收,48V輕油電用的鋰電池,會比充電制御更有效率


像是 Benz S400 Hybrid ?
(Toyota Prius?)

sutl 2020-09-12 09:29 PM

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作者冰的啦魔王大人
嗯, 一個如果夏天打30psi, 冬天大概會有16psi 的概念. :flash:
我們老車得趕快去加裝胎壓偵測器了.. 不然就安裝失壓續跑胎一勞永逸 :)

台灣春夏秋冬的胎壓變化沒那麼大啦!我通常一年保養一次時才打一次胎壓的。(好孩子不要學)

失壓續跑胎中文原名防爆胎,後來發現還是會爆胎,所以改成失壓續跑胎這麼難念的名稱。

而且這種輪胎失去胎壓時,駕駛很難感覺出來,更容易因此開到爆胎,所以一定要有胎壓偵測。

冰的啦魔王大人 2020-09-13 04:49 PM

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作者sutl
台灣春夏秋冬的胎壓變化沒那麼大啦!我通常一年保養一次時才打一次胎壓的。(好孩子不要學)
失壓續跑胎中文原名防爆胎,後來發現還是會爆胎,所以改成失壓續跑胎這麼難念的名稱。
而且這種輪胎失去胎壓時,駕駛很難感覺出來,更容易因此開到爆胎,所以一定要有胎壓偵測。


原來失壓還是會爛胎?! :stupefy:



另外我一直有個壞習慣,就是因為用不起名貴的胎,車従維修保養廠打滿氣開出來的,我都會把它漏掉一些, 因為摸起來太硬我有點怕炸胎.. :jolin:
胎越老,就越不敢打飽氣 :stupefy:



但是根據Firestone這胎脫皮的狀況來看, 法院的判決應該是對的.


如果有人冬天把16psi的車開出門, 那也偏離 26psi 太多了,
出事也不能算在Ford 帳上吧?




維基百科上是說, 根據調查 Firestone 的某廠生產的胎特別容易炸, 後來車胎有改變設計與膠合技術.
Firestone 則指稱Ford 該款車設計不良容易翻車 (因為翻車死不少人.)

:think:


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