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EANCK 2018-01-04 02:17 PM

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florance 2018-01-04 02:33 PM

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florance 2018-01-04 04:48 PM

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rockports 2018-01-04 06:08 PM

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/...5576.A.184.html

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http://go.newsfusion.com/security/item/1108590

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